as we hit the water, the white folks would call their kids, billy, bobby, betty, out of the water, hurry up. it blew me away. and at the same time, you are all putting suntan lotion on trying to look like me. >> i love you. that is -- that is a brilliant insight. that pools really were kind of a fundamental public battleground around the issue of jim crow and racial integration and the idea you become bronze medalist in part because of the swimming. and, then, of course, civil rights heroes for all of us. >> my dad said, john, will you let this stop you? and i said, no, pop. i just have to find another way. you can look back at harry belafonte, he used the state of his interviews in the past. he had the same situation in his day to the point where he would go to a make hotel, and they would tell you there are two things you don't do. you don't go to the restaurant, you don't go to the pool.